What to start with?

[DOUG®]

Our Rubicon runs 2" BB, 1" B/L, and a 1" MML. This is with stock shocks.
The MML brings the engine back in line with the radiator so no clearence problems with the fan and shroud. Clears 33's with no issues.

Steering box skid was the first thing we added. A belly up is next. The "shovel" needs to go.

Diff guards are a good idea also.

[Scott]

doug said:

The MML brings the engine back in line with the radiator so no clearance problems with the fan and shroud.

Is this the only reason for the MML, I read on 4x4explor that if this is the only reason for an MML, it's not worth the trouble.

here is an excerpt from the article:
For those out there who think installing an MML is a good idea when doing a body lift, all I can say is this. If you don't have any vibes, you don't need an MML and it certainly isn't a better solution then relocating your fan shroud. Trust me, I have done both. Relocate fan shroud = 10 minutes and it's a piece of cake install. MML install = 2 hours of moderate to hard work. You do the math.

Did you have the "vibes"

[Kevin W.]

It also lifts your engine up 1"... so your oil pan, etc are up higher.

The best thing it does, is adjust the angle of the driveline a bit, to help minimize any vibrations created when using a suspension lift.

[ZAEDOCK]

I don't see why you need a MML with only a 1" body lift. I have a two inch in my YJ and never needed to adjust the radiator or shroud (although I run an elec. fan now).

Leave the motor where it is. Lifting it increases your center of gravity. It could also INCREASE vibes with your front driveshaft. If you want less vibes, fix the slip yolk output and do it right. I have a 5.5" of suspension lift and have no vibes at all. IMO, MML's are retarded.

If I had a new TJ (say a 'Rubi), I would install a Rancho 2 1/2" Rockcrawler kit(1100+ RTI) with a 3/4" spacer (3.25" lift total) , add 35's and go wheeling.

[DOUG®]

zaedock said:

I don't see why you need a MML with only a 1" body lift. I have a two inch in my YJ and never needed to adjust the radiator or shroud (although I run an elec. fan now).

Leave the motor where it is. Lifting it increases your center of gravity. It could also INCREASE vibes with your front driveshaft. If you want less vibes, fix the slip yolk output and do it right. I have a 5.5" of suspension lift and have no vibes at all. IMO, MML's are retarded.

If I had a new TJ (say a 'Rubi), I would install a Rancho 2 1/2" Rockcrawler kit(1100+ RTI) with a 3/4" spacer (3.25" lift total) , add 35's and go wheeling.

First of all your opinion of MML being retarded is way out of line. If your concerned about the center of gravity then maybe removing some of your 5.5" of lift would be in order. Raising the motor 1" will not make a noticable difference.

The reason I put in a MML was two fold.
1, To line the fan back up with the radiator. No need to hack the shroud.

2, To keep the engine and tranny lined up when I install a belly up skid.

It also eliminates the need to modify the T-case linkage, on a TJ, where it mounts to the body.


One more thing....3.25" of lift on a TJ will not clear 35s. Not without either cutting sheetmetal or some serious bumpstops, which of course would prohibit the 1100 RTI score.

We run 33s with 3" combined lift (stock bump stops) and the tires rub slightly.

We have no vibes at all right now. The Rubicon uses a fixed yoke output on the rear shaft. No need to upgrade to a CV style driveshaft until you run more lift.

I had a YJ with 5.5" of lift when I first joined Baystate. 4.5" suspension and a 1" BL. I did not have to modify the fan shroud or add a MML.
TJs are different.

[ZAEDOCK]

doug said:

zaedock said:

I don't see why you need a MML with only a 1" body lift. I have a two inch in my YJ and never needed to adjust the radiator or shroud (although I run an elec. fan now).

Leave the motor where it is. Lifting it increases your center of gravity. It could also INCREASE vibes with your front driveshaft. If you want less vibes, fix the slip yolk output and do it right. I have a 5.5" of suspension lift and have no vibes at all. IMO, MML's are retarded.

If I had a new TJ (say a 'Rubi), I would install a Rancho 2 1/2" Rockcrawler kit(1100+ RTI) with a 3/4" spacer (3.25" lift total) , add 35's and go wheeling.

First of all your opinion of MML being retarded is way out of line. If your concerned about the center of gravity then maybe removing some of your 5.5" of lift would be in order. Raising the motor 1" will not make a noticable difference.

The reason I put in a MML was two fold.
1, To line the fan back up with the radiator. No need to hack the shroud.

2, To keep the engine and tranny lined up when I install a belly up skid.

It also eliminates the need to modify the T-case linkage, on a TJ, where it mounts to the body.


One more thing....3.25" of lift on a TJ will not clear 35s. Not without either cutting sheetmetal or some serious bumpstops, which of course would prohibit the 1100 RTI score.

We run 33s with 3" combined lift (stock bump stops) and the tires rub slightly.

We have no vibes at all right now. The Rubicon uses a fixed yoke output on the rear shaft. No need to upgrade to a CV style driveshaft until you run more lift.

I had a YJ with 5.5" of lift when I first joined Baystate. 4.5" suspension and a 1" BL. I did not have to modify the fan shroud or add a MML.
TJs are different.

First of all...MML's ARE ReTaRdEd!!! If my opinion is out of line, then that's too bad for you. If you don't like it, then why don't you try doing something about it, punk??? Yeah, I thought so...

I never said my YJ DIDN'T have a high center of gravity. In fact, I even have a 2" body lift, which gives my YJ 7.5" of Freakin' ReTaRdEd, highcenter of gravity, LIFT!!! Yeah, how's that? Tuff guy...

35's WILL fit on a TJ with 3.25"'s of lift. The Rancho 2.5" Rockcrawler kit clears 33's (as advertised by Rancho) and will clear 35's with a spacer installed....PUNK. Besides, even if it DID rub, who cares? Drive it until it doesn't rub anymore.

..and another thing, TJ's aren't different. They're SPECIAL.

[DOUG®]

zaedock said:

doug said:

First of all your opinion of MML being retarded is way out of line. If your concerned about the center of gravity then maybe removing some of your 5.5" of lift would be in order. Raising the motor 1" will not make a noticable difference.

The reason I put in a MML was two fold.
1, To line the fan back up with the radiator. No need to hack the shroud.

2, To keep the engine and tranny lined up when I install a belly up skid.

It also eliminates the need to modify the T-case linkage, on a TJ, where it mounts to the body.


One more thing....3.25" of lift on a TJ will not clear 35s. Not without either cutting sheetmetal or some serious bumpstops, which of course would prohibit the 1100 RTI score.

We run 33s with 3" combined lift (stock bump stops) and the tires rub slightly.

We have no vibes at all right now. The Rubicon uses a fixed yoke output on the rear shaft. No need to upgrade to a CV style driveshaft until you run more lift.

I had a YJ with 5.5" of lift when I first joined Baystate. 4.5" suspension and a 1" BL. I did not have to modify the fan shroud or add a MML.
TJs are different.

First of all...MML's ARE ReTaRdEd!!! If my opinion is out of line, then that's too bad for you. If you don't like it, then why don't you try doing something about it, punk??? Yeah, I thought so...

I never said my YJ DIDN'T have a high center of gravity. In fact, I even have a 2" body lift, which gives my YJ 7.5" of Freakin' ReTaRdEd, highcenter of gravity, LIFT!!! Yeah, how's that? Tuff guy...

35's WILL fit on a TJ with 3.25"'s of lift. The Rancho 2.5" Rockcrawler kit clears 33's (as advertised by Rancho) and will clear 35's with a spacer installed....PUNK. Besides, even if it DID rub, who cares? Drive it until it doesn't rub anymore.

..and another thing, TJ's aren't different. They're SPECIAL.

Your the one that's retarded....LOL.

Hope you and the family had a great Christmas Joe.

[Kodi]

ah....nice to see the boys playing so well together!

[ZAEDOCK]

I hope you guys had a great Christmas too.

HaHa, can you imagine what everyone who doesn't know us is thinking?!?!?!? WE ARE BLOOD ENEMIES...RAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

HAHAHA! I am slightly rEtArDeD, and proud of it.
Man, such an 80's term. Everything and everybody was "retarded" back then. Perhaps Angie is right and I'm like...like, so stuck in the 80's. For sure.
I did just go out and get a new CD too (The Vapors w/ "Turning Japanese personanese"). HeHeHe.

Anyway, Merry Christmas guys. Have a happy new year too.

[Kevin W.]

zaedock said:

I don't see why you need a MML with only a 1" body lift. I have a two inch in my YJ and never needed to adjust the radiator or shroud (although I run an elec. fan now).

Leave the motor where it is. Lifting it increases your center of gravity. It could also INCREASE vibes with your front driveshaft. If you want less vibes, fix the slip yolk output and do it right. I have a 5.5" of suspension lift and have no vibes at all. IMO, MML's are retarded.

If I had a new TJ (say a 'Rubi), I would install a Rancho 2 1/2" Rockcrawler kit(1100+ RTI) with a 3/4" spacer (3.25" lift total) , add 35's and go wheeling.

Not to jump in on the "you're reTAHded" thread But, I have ALOT of trouble believing that 2.5" of lift will clear 33's AND get 1100 (I assume a 20 degree ramp) on a ramp.

I call BS!

Maybe it's a 10 degree ramp, now that I beleive.

Lets assume they add some major bumpstops to keep the fenders safe.... then, you would need a suspension that will droop SOOO much to get 1100 it would be reTAHded. I honestly don't see it happening. Even super flexy lift kits, like a RE 4.5" long arm kit, will get maybe 1200 ish.

In the end, who gives a crap about the score OR flex. As long as it can do like 700-800, I think you're ok

KEV

[Scott]

Getting a little crazy here
I just had to go back and read all the post again, I'm getting dizzy. I originally was thinking 31's, NOW I think that'll be a waste of time. 33's may be in order, If I can do them with 2"bb and 1"bl that would be great. as far as the MML I'm really undecided, I think I'll have to wait and see if I get the Vibes

RE Looks like it may be a good choice also, IS there stuff a Good Quality?

[ZAEDOCK]

admin said:

zaedock said:

I don't see why you need a MML with only a 1" body lift. I have a two inch in my YJ and never needed to adjust the radiator or shroud (although I run an elec. fan now).

Leave the motor where it is. Lifting it increases your center of gravity. It could also INCREASE vibes with your front driveshaft. If you want less vibes, fix the slip yolk output and do it right. I have a 5.5" of suspension lift and have no vibes at all. IMO, MML's are retarded.

If I had a new TJ (say a 'Rubi), I would install a Rancho 2 1/2" Rockcrawler kit(1100+ RTI) with a 3/4" spacer (3.25" lift total) , add 35's and go wheeling.

Not to jump in on the "you're reTAHded" thread But, I have ALOT of trouble believing that 2.5" of lift will clear 33's AND get 1100 (I assume a 20 degree ramp) on a ramp.

I call BS!

Maybe it's a 10 degree ramp, now that I beleive.

Lets assume they add some major bumpstops to keep the fenders safe.... then, you would need a suspension that will droop SOOO much to get 1100 it would be reTAHded. I honestly don't see it happening. Even super flexy lift kits, like a RE 4.5" long arm kit, will get maybe 1200 ish.

In the end, who gives a crap about the score OR flex. As long as it can do like 700-800, I think you're ok

KEV

Here you go, Kev...
www.gorancho.com/products/suspensions/jeep_RS6506.stm

That's the 2 1/2" kit. They also have a version that clears 35's with competition springs...and YES, there is a lot of droop.

To be honest, I could care less about RTI. IF I had a new TJ, I would want to keep it street legal (as opposed to my pseudo-legal YJ) and be able to wheel hard. I think my YJ could probably ramp a 800-850 with it's beat up, 10 yr old, clampless springs and you know I have taken my YJ where the "super flex" guys haven't.

Bottom line: I personally, would run 35's with 3.25" of lift and let them rub all day long.

[ZAEDOCK]

sbnk said:

Getting a little crazy here
I just had to go back and read all the post again, I'm getting dizzy. I originally was thinking 31's, NOW I think that'll be a waste of time. 33's may be in order, If I can do them with 2"bb and 1"bl that would be great. as far as the MML I'm really undecided, I think I'll have to wait and see if I get the Vibes

RE Looks like it may be a good choice also, IS there stuff a Good Quality?

My nephew ran with us on the last trip. His '05 TJ Sport runs a 2"BB and a 1"BL. He was able to clear 33" BFG muds that I lent him. They tagged the front control arms a little, but that was due to the backspacing of the wheel. He had no other fitment issues.

I think RE makes good stuff.

[ddewar53]

Can't speak for TJs, but I was dissapointed in the 2.5" RE springs that I had on my YJ. They were very stiff and rough riding, didn't flex much at all. I just replaced them with 3.5" BDS springs, and I'm very happy with them so far.

I also have the 3" BDS springs and shocks on the TJ with no other mods except a dropped TCase. I'm thinking of adding a 1" MML and taking the TCase spacers out, to fix the TCase linkage problem, and get my TCase skid back up where it belongs

[Kevin W.]

Like I said before, it says 1100 rti score.

I does not indicate what degree ramp.

I bet its a 10 degree ramp

KEV